Peter Doherty, Nobel laureate, fellow of the Royal Society and a prolific author of popular books about science, refuses to be a āfuckwit in a white coatā any longer.
He has radical advice for any scientist considering giving an interview to a television or newspaper journalist that can later be edited: donāt do it.
Professor Doherty, who won his Nobel in 1996 for research into how virus-infected cells are recognised by the immune system, spoke to 51³Ō¹Ļ at a summit for laureates and young scientists held in late June in Lindau, Germany, where he Ā that they now have unprecedented opportunities to communicate online with the public directly.
This is just as well, because his exasperation with traditional news outlets has reached breaking point.
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It is now āhopelessā to do an edited interview that will beĀ trimmed before publication or broadcast, Professor Doherty warned. āYou will inevitably be misrepresented,ā he said, adding: āIād say donāt have anything to do with that.ā
Bad interviewers are simply out to push a predetermined storyline, he argued. āIf you allow yourself to be drawn into that, youāre just being used.ā
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Professor Doherty ā whose most recent book, The Knowledge Wars, published in 2015, aims to help citizens analyse scientific debate for themselves ā is scarred from personal experience.
He recalled a āterrible experienceā on the Australian current affairs programme 60Ģż²Ń¾±²Ō³Ü³Ł±š²õ, where a 35-minute interview about bird flu was cut to a single answer to a āleadingā question, in which he acknowledged that there was a possibility that the outbreak could be aĀ ācatastropheā ā despite having stressed repeatedly that, all in all, the situation was likely manageable.
āThese people are crooks, basically,āĀ said Professor Doherty, who is now laureate professorĀ in the department of microbiology and immunology at the University of Melbourne. āYou cannot try anything thatās edited,ā heĀ continued. āOnce itās edited, you have no idea where it will go.ā
60 Minutes did not respond to a request for comment.
Professor Doherty did say that there were āresponsibleā exceptions toĀ his rule: the BBCās Horizon programme, for example. Direct-to-air interviews are also effective, he said,Ā because they cannot be edited selectively.
He now has a novel way to rebuff interview requests. āIāve found the way to get rid of TV news people is to refuse under any circumstances to put on a white coat, to go into the lab, to look down a microscope. Thatās all they want. They want some fuckwit in a white coat who hasnāt looked down a microscope for 30 years. IĀ just wonāt do it. Iām so pissed off with the stereotypes,ā he said.
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Professor Doherty stressed that he didĀ sympathise with reporters who were ātrying to be good journalistsā in the face of āterrible editorsā and a āterrible economic modelā.
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But in Australia, science journalists are so thin on the ground that he has sometimesĀ found himself being interviewed by sports reporters. āAbout the only journalists weāve got are sporting journalists,ā he said.
After an interview, āyou wait with a sense of genuine terror to see what these people are going to printā, heĀ continued.
āItās very hard for a scientist to understand just how low the level of scientific understanding is in the communityā ā and āinĀ particular among journalistsā, who āadd a certain arrogance to it, as they think they know what theyāre doingā, he added.
What, then, is the solution for researchers if the traditional channels of communication to the public through journalists are indeed broken?
Professor Doherty is a big fan of scientists explaining their work more visually, through graphics or videos taken in the field or lab. āIf you want to think about the effect of climate change on the tundras, the fact that you can take a match and light the tundra and show a little video is pretty impressive,ā he said.
Another option is TheĀ Conversation, which Professor Doherty helped to found in Australia in 2011 ā the website publishes articles, often addressing current affairs, written by academics but edited by journalists to make them accessible toĀ the general public.
Academics often lose the public āimmediatelyā when talking about relative probabilities and relative risks, he warned. āPeople can understand that, but they donāt understand it in those terms,ā he said,Ā explainingĀ that scientists āhave to break it down to examplesā.
If there is an overarching Doherty doctrine for how to talk to the public, it is ādonāt tell people, show peopleā. Appeals to scientific authority doĀ not work, he said, warning that āthe only people who provide a holy writ are priests ā and crooksā.
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āI think scientists deluded themselves that if you present the evidence, people will accept it,ā he added.Ā But in a supposedly post-factual age, āwe now know thatās not true.ā
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Print headline: āDonāt do edited media interviewsā
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