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Nobel laureate advises scientists to refuse edited media interviews

Peter Doherty warns scientists about being ā€˜used’ by journalists with a predetermined story to tell

Published on
July 9, 2018
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July 9, 2018
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Peter Doherty, Nobel laureate, fellow of the Royal Society and a prolific author of popular books about science, refuses to be a ā€œfuckwit in a white coatā€ any longer.

He has radical advice for any scientist considering giving an interview to a television or newspaper journalist that can later be edited: don’t do it.

Professor Doherty, who won his Nobel in 1996 for research into how virus-infected cells are recognised by the immune system, spoke to 51³Ō¹Ļ at a summit for laureates and young scientists held in late June in Lindau, Germany, where he Ā that they now have unprecedented opportunities to communicate online with the public directly.

This is just as well, because his exasperation with traditional news outlets has reached breaking point.

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It is now ā€œhopelessā€ to do an edited interview that will beĀ trimmed before publication or broadcast, Professor Doherty warned. ā€œYou will inevitably be misrepresented,ā€ he said, adding: ā€œI’d say don’t have anything to do with that.ā€

Bad interviewers are simply out to push a predetermined storyline, he argued. ā€œIf you allow yourself to be drawn into that, you’re just being used.ā€

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Professor Doherty – whose most recent book, The Knowledge Wars, published in 2015, aims to help citizens analyse scientific debate for themselves – is scarred from personal experience.

He recalled a ā€œterrible experienceā€ on the Australian current affairs programme 60Ģż²Ń¾±²Ō³Ü³Ł±š²õ, where a 35-minute interview about bird flu was cut to a single answer to a ā€œleadingā€ question, in which he acknowledged that there was a possibility that the outbreak could be aĀ ā€œcatastropheā€ – despite having stressed repeatedly that, all in all, the situation was likely manageable.

ā€œThese people are crooks, basically,ā€Ā said Professor Doherty, who is now laureate professorĀ in the department of microbiology and immunology at the University of Melbourne. ā€œYou cannot try anything that’s edited,ā€ heĀ continued. ā€œOnce it’s edited, you have no idea where it will go.ā€

60 Minutes did not respond to a request for comment.

Professor Doherty did say that there were ā€œresponsibleā€ exceptions toĀ his rule: the BBC’s Horizon programme, for example. Direct-to-air interviews are also effective, he said,Ā because they cannot be edited selectively.

He now has a novel way to rebuff interview requests. ā€œI’ve found the way to get rid of TV news people is to refuse under any circumstances to put on a white coat, to go into the lab, to look down a microscope. That’s all they want. They want some fuckwit in a white coat who hasn’t looked down a microscope for 30 years. IĀ just won’t do it. I’m so pissed off with the stereotypes,ā€ he said.

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Professor Doherty stressed that he didĀ sympathise with reporters who were ā€œtrying to be good journalistsā€ in the face of ā€œterrible editorsā€ and a ā€œterrible economic modelā€.

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But in Australia, science journalists are so thin on the ground that he has sometimesĀ found himself being interviewed by sports reporters. ā€œAbout the only journalists we’ve got are sporting journalists,ā€ he said.

After an interview, ā€œyou wait with a sense of genuine terror to see what these people are going to printā€, heĀ continued.

ā€œIt’s very hard for a scientist to understand just how low the level of scientific understanding is in the communityā€ – and ā€œinĀ particular among journalistsā€, who ā€œadd a certain arrogance to it, as they think they know what they’re doingā€, he added.

What, then, is the solution for researchers if the traditional channels of communication to the public through journalists are indeed broken?

Professor Doherty is a big fan of scientists explaining their work more visually, through graphics or videos taken in the field or lab. ā€œIf you want to think about the effect of climate change on the tundras, the fact that you can take a match and light the tundra and show a little video is pretty impressive,ā€ he said.

Another option is TheĀ Conversation, which Professor Doherty helped to found in Australia in 2011 – the website publishes articles, often addressing current affairs, written by academics but edited by journalists to make them accessible toĀ the general public.

Academics often lose the public ā€œimmediatelyā€ when talking about relative probabilities and relative risks, he warned. ā€œPeople can understand that, but they don’t understand it in those terms,ā€ he said,Ā explainingĀ that scientists ā€œhave to break it down to examplesā€.

If there is an overarching Doherty doctrine for how to talk to the public, it is ā€œdon’t tell people, show peopleā€. Appeals to scientific authority doĀ not work, he said, warning that ā€œthe only people who provide a holy writ are priests – and crooksā€.

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ā€œI think scientists deluded themselves that if you present the evidence, people will accept it,ā€ he added.Ā But in a supposedly post-factual age, ā€œwe now know that’s not true.ā€

david.matthews@timeshighereducation.com

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